Just back home from the G20 demos. I was in the peaceful part, US Embassy to Trafalgar Square. The police couldn't have been nicer with us, in total contrast to the policing at the Bank, where they used their stupid penning up tactic. The organisers said there was no trouble before they were corralled around the Bank area. After two and a half hours scuffles started when people tried to escape. Now it is still in confusion. Twittering is happening now here.
Noel Lynch first hand account.
George Monbiot: The trouble-makers are out in force again. Dressed in black, their faces partly obscured, some of them appear to be interested only in violent confrontation. It's almost as if they are deliberately raising the temperature, pushing and pushing until a fight kicks off. But this isn't some disorganised rabble: these people were bussed in and are plainly acting in concert. There's another dead giveaway. They are all wearing the same slogan: Police.
A Green Party comrade who was in the Bank of England area writes:
The demonstrators at the Bank of England were peaceful: the police were brutal and used dangerous tactics to stoke the crowd up. The only way myself and other Green comrades managed to leave the demo was by following others who broke through the lines.
The crowd was very well natured. There is a lot of propaganda out claiming violence which is just untrue. The first window was smashed only when police appeared on horseback. 7 protesters hospitalized, 1 dead: only 1 police officer in similar position.
Police medics stood back and allowed pregnant women and parents with young children to be kept in the enclosure.
Shutup "Meg is a disturbed and self-conscious teenage girl...." more at Wikipedia
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Griffin
Weird thing this twittering.
Yes, I visited her site and noticed that. I'll go and delete my twitter.
ReplyDeleteHope not many people will get hurt. How I hate crowds... can't imagine being stacked up there for hours.
ReplyDeleteJay
Many conservative and libertarian Americans agree with the G20 protests against the financial establishment although they have little else in common with the protesters. While most of the London and European protesters are from the far left, many working Americans feel the same about Washington’s excessive bailouts for Wall Street and the banking establishment.
ReplyDeleteWashington has bailed out the banks, Wall Street & their Washington special interests and much of the cost is added to the national debt to by paid by this and future generations while real estate and investments continue to fall.
Find out how a growing repudiate the debt movement could stop Washington’s deficits, the exploding national debt and end the bailouts.
The Campaign to Cancel the Washington National Debt By 12/21/2012 Constitutional Amendment is starting now in the U.S.
See: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67594690498&ref=ts
Ron
Thanks for your concern Jay.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, it is interesting when disparate political blocs agree, and I personally am prepared to work with anyone (except fascists) on specific issues. However, I personally think that it was necessary to bail out the banks, but am angry at the failure to put a firewall between the real economy and the shadow economy with its psychotic debts. I think Sarkozy and Merkel are right, we need tighter regulation of the shadow financial economy rather than to trying to fill its vacuum with money borrowed from future taxpayers. And I would expect that you would disagree with this?
But it wasnt completely peaceful was it? What about the RBS windows?
ReplyDeleteI dont want to hijack your blog - if anybody wants my view on things you can read it on my G20 London Riots blog.
Doc, I give you this, some interesting posts on your blog. But you need to tell the whole truth.
Don't forget that without bankers and traders stable prices would be a much harder reality. Maybe this point should be put across to protestors more forcefully?
"repudiate the debt movement"
ReplyDeleteHow the **** is this supposed to work?
For one thing most yanks have been troughing like there's no tomorrow for decades now, by and large content with a vicious imperialist foreign policy, destroying other cultures and the environment as they go, so why should they not now re-learn to live on a lot less, as most people in the rich world and 3W middle class need to do.
For second, doesn't China own a large part of the US now, thanks to their greedy debt? Repudiate that, and could we not have the long-expected third world war on hand?
So how do Hamas fit into your 'not working with fascists' thang?
ReplyDeleteWow, busy here today.
ReplyDeleteHello Mr Banker G20LondonRiots, you are most welcome to this blog, and thanks for the civil remarks.
Yes, a window got broken and an office was trashed. I personally do not think this was helpful, although I do approve of violence against property when that property is
Hawk ground attack aircraft.
However, according to my information, the violence occurred after the police had kettled the protesters. It was provoked. Facts are obscured by the fog of conflict, but Kingsnorth is good evidence to exercise caution in believing what the police say.
I would be interested in your reaction to the stuff tagged under "solving the financial crisis". For a starter, what do you make of the Green New Deal proposal?
To Anonymous, (hello again Anon, you busy person) if I were the President I would indeed talk to Hamas and to the Taleban, because jawing is better than warring. I had the BNP in mind when I said I would not share a platform with fascists. I'm not even 100% sure that is the best way, but it is strongly held in the Green Party, and who am I to rock the boat?
The impression you give doctor, is that you would talk with hamas and taleban but not with bnp.
ReplyDeleteMaybe violence does work then?
If you trouble to actually communicate with the less well to do in this country you'll find that they see things very differently from the comfortably off, employers and media luvvies who welcome the cheap labour and rootless cosmopolitanism which is destroying our communities.
Who's intimidating who?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7943556.stm
Hello Mr Authority (may I call you Question?)
ReplyDeleteThis is a bit of a side issue from the G20 Police riot.
Violence is the problem, not the solution, and I am sorry that a BNP member was wounded as per your link.
Yes, if the BNP were fighting a guerilla war against the British state, and I was Prime Minister, I would indeed open talks with them, in the hope of arriving at some kind of peaceful solution.
I apologise for not being poor, but you assume that I am not in touch therefore with the disadvantaged. I am, whenever I take a surgery. And I am very concerned at poverty, unemployment and poor housing. I wrote a book about this - see my website. And the Green Party has real solutions on offer to put an end to poverty, unemployment and housing problems.
Thanks for commenting.